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	<title>Comments on: Nick Clegg: Hundreds of thousands of people should pay no income tax</title>
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		<title>By: Gareth Morgan</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/02/time-for-a-fair-deal-for-wales/comment-page-1/#comment-6039</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is another example of political cherry picking. Increases in Income Tax allowances mean very little on their own; what is important is the increase, if any, in bottom line income.

For example lower tax will mean an increase in net earnings. That increase will mean a reduction in any Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit entitlement. There goes 85% of the increased income.

If the recipient is working part-time, very likely at the lower end of tax payment, then any increase will be taken, penny for penny, pound for pound, from the entitlement to Income Support, Income Based Job Seekers Allowance or Employment and Support Allowance.

Even within the tax system things are confused; it’s very easy to find examples where the entitlement to tax credits matches exactly the amount taken back in Income Tax.

A committment to raising net income may mean something but a promise to tweak one factor in a complex system means very little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is another example of political cherry picking. Increases in Income Tax allowances mean very little on their own; what is important is the increase, if any, in bottom line income.</p>
<p>For example lower tax will mean an increase in net earnings. That increase will mean a reduction in any Housing Benefit and Council Tax Benefit entitlement. There goes 85% of the increased income.</p>
<p>If the recipient is working part-time, very likely at the lower end of tax payment, then any increase will be taken, penny for penny, pound for pound, from the entitlement to Income Support, Income Based Job Seekers Allowance or Employment and Support Allowance.</p>
<p>Even within the tax system things are confused; it’s very easy to find examples where the entitlement to tax credits matches exactly the amount taken back in Income Tax.</p>
<p>A committment to raising net income may mean something but a promise to tweak one factor in a complex system means very little.</p>
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		<title>By: Illtyd Luke</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/02/time-for-a-fair-deal-for-wales/comment-page-1/#comment-6027</link>
		<dc:creator>Illtyd Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s good to have a UK party leader contributing to Wales Home as an accolade, but isn&#039;t this basically just a Lib Dem General Election narrative with a staff member writing a Welsh context in, and Nick Clegg&#039;s name and photo put at the top? It doesn&#039;t offer me anything much different from going on the Lib Dem website.

It&#039;s about as exciting as getting the intro to the Plaid manifesto, putting Elfyn&#039;s name at the top of it and posting it up as &#039;Elfyn Llwyd makes heavyweight contribution to Wales Home&#039;.

It&#039;s a pretty good political platform, but not the kind of current and incisive debate we are used to on this site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s good to have a UK party leader contributing to Wales Home as an accolade, but isn&#8217;t this basically just a Lib Dem General Election narrative with a staff member writing a Welsh context in, and Nick Clegg&#8217;s name and photo put at the top? It doesn&#8217;t offer me anything much different from going on the Lib Dem website.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about as exciting as getting the intro to the Plaid manifesto, putting Elfyn&#8217;s name at the top of it and posting it up as &#8216;Elfyn Llwyd makes heavyweight contribution to Wales Home&#8217;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pretty good political platform, but not the kind of current and incisive debate we are used to on this site.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/02/time-for-a-fair-deal-for-wales/comment-page-1/#comment-6009</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 23:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry, but I could do without the patronising first paragraph. You realise that when you go to Scotland, Cornwall, the Cotswolds, Cumbria etc, you will have to confirm that they have lovely countryside, but it&#039;s not as nice as Wales! 

On the issue of delivering when you were briefly in coalition in Wales, your main legacy was a huge expansion in administration, creating so many new managerial posts that we actually had to go to England  as we did not have enough. This disastrous re-organisation is only now being reversed, with Plaid rather than yourselves in coalition.

I welcome the proposal on tax and also note that you recognise the lack of fair funding for Wales. An independent report has the the figure at between £300 and £400 million a year. Are you therefore committing youself in any coalition deal to delivering on this? It would make a hgue difference to Wales and would go a long way in reducing the gap between education spend per pupil in Wales compared to England. On this very real problem, councils in England spend 90% or their monies recieved for education, on schools. In Wales, the figure is between 73%-85%, as councils manage services more centrally. Is it therefore your intention to make schools more independent, along Tory policy lines?

In a recent party statement, you proposed under a new model that Wales would lose 12 MPs and end up with 28, yet there was no mention of Scottish Parliamentary powers to ensure a fair transfer of representation from London to Cardiff. Therefore, if you do end up in coalition with the Tories in London, will you insist on your stated policy of a full Welsh Parliament, if we do lose 12 MPs?

Finally, I note that you intend to slash council pension protection/provision as part of your manifesto. Will you be spelling our exactly what cuts you intend, prior to the elections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry, but I could do without the patronising first paragraph. You realise that when you go to Scotland, Cornwall, the Cotswolds, Cumbria etc, you will have to confirm that they have lovely countryside, but it&#8217;s not as nice as Wales! </p>
<p>On the issue of delivering when you were briefly in coalition in Wales, your main legacy was a huge expansion in administration, creating so many new managerial posts that we actually had to go to England  as we did not have enough. This disastrous re-organisation is only now being reversed, with Plaid rather than yourselves in coalition.</p>
<p>I welcome the proposal on tax and also note that you recognise the lack of fair funding for Wales. An independent report has the the figure at between £300 and £400 million a year. Are you therefore committing youself in any coalition deal to delivering on this? It would make a hgue difference to Wales and would go a long way in reducing the gap between education spend per pupil in Wales compared to England. On this very real problem, councils in England spend 90% or their monies recieved for education, on schools. In Wales, the figure is between 73%-85%, as councils manage services more centrally. Is it therefore your intention to make schools more independent, along Tory policy lines?</p>
<p>In a recent party statement, you proposed under a new model that Wales would lose 12 MPs and end up with 28, yet there was no mention of Scottish Parliamentary powers to ensure a fair transfer of representation from London to Cardiff. Therefore, if you do end up in coalition with the Tories in London, will you insist on your stated policy of a full Welsh Parliament, if we do lose 12 MPs?</p>
<p>Finally, I note that you intend to slash council pension protection/provision as part of your manifesto. Will you be spelling our exactly what cuts you intend, prior to the elections?</p>
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		<title>By: senn</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/02/time-for-a-fair-deal-for-wales/comment-page-1/#comment-6008</link>
		<dc:creator>senn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Particularly relevant article to Wales where disposable income is less and regional GDP is much less than other UK regions. 
Low Carbon housing and the green economy- we can do this if we have a programme of afforestation and there is hundreds of thousands of acres waiting to be planted for the future in Wales if the political will is there, houses made of wood (the worlds only sustainable building material) instead of concrete and plastic windows.
Afforestation would provide many more jobs (forestry more labour intensive) than what the land currently 
employs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Particularly relevant article to Wales where disposable income is less and regional GDP is much less than other UK regions.<br />
Low Carbon housing and the green economy- we can do this if we have a programme of afforestation and there is hundreds of thousands of acres waiting to be planted for the future in Wales if the political will is there, houses made of wood (the worlds only sustainable building material) instead of concrete and plastic windows.<br />
Afforestation would provide many more jobs (forestry more labour intensive) than what the land currently<br />
employs.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/02/time-for-a-fair-deal-for-wales/comment-page-1/#comment-5988</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about England, Nick?

Wales gets more to spend per head and Scotland even more than that! If Wales spends £500 per head, less than England, it is because they decided to, despite having more money at their disposal.

England has less to spend on health and education and nO national parliament to decide how it is spent (umlike Wales and Scotland).

What sort of signal does that send to young people growing up in England?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about England, Nick?</p>
<p>Wales gets more to spend per head and Scotland even more than that! If Wales spends £500 per head, less than England, it is because they decided to, despite having more money at their disposal.</p>
<p>England has less to spend on health and education and nO national parliament to decide how it is spent (umlike Wales and Scotland).</p>
<p>What sort of signal does that send to young people growing up in England?</p>
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		<title>By: Keeping up to date with #wldconf &#8211; Freedom Central</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/02/time-for-a-fair-deal-for-wales/comment-page-1/#comment-5980</link>
		<dc:creator>Keeping up to date with #wldconf &#8211; Freedom Central</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and spoke.The beeb and others have lots of coverage&#8230;  Nick&#8217;s also got a piece on Wales home.   Share [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and spoke.The beeb and others have lots of coverage&#8230;  Nick&#8217;s also got a piece on Wales home.   Share [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Welsh Connection</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/02/time-for-a-fair-deal-for-wales/comment-page-1/#comment-5979</link>
		<dc:creator>Welsh Connection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t disagree with the plans to raise the threshold for income tax.

On the subject of devolution, you say you will campaign for a yes vote in the upcoming referendum, but you also say that you believe Wales should have the same devolved powers as Scotland (which the referendum wont give us).

How do you propose to go about giving Wales parity with Scotland assuming that the Lib Dems either win the general election or (perhaps more likely) form part of a coalition in a hung parliament.?  Would there be yet another referendum? or would you transfer Scottish style powers in the event of a yes vote in the proposed referendum?  Or would you simply devolve the powers independently?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t disagree with the plans to raise the threshold for income tax.</p>
<p>On the subject of devolution, you say you will campaign for a yes vote in the upcoming referendum, but you also say that you believe Wales should have the same devolved powers as Scotland (which the referendum wont give us).</p>
<p>How do you propose to go about giving Wales parity with Scotland assuming that the Lib Dems either win the general election or (perhaps more likely) form part of a coalition in a hung parliament.?  Would there be yet another referendum? or would you transfer Scottish style powers in the event of a yes vote in the proposed referendum?  Or would you simply devolve the powers independently?</p>
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