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	<title>Comments on: The Welsh language is under more threat than ever</title>
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		<title>By: Rhys</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-76724</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 23:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are a number of contradictions in Barry’s piece.  He wants to encourage new companies and industries to locate in Welsh-speaking areas, without providing housing for incoming monoglot entrepreneurs or managers.  He wants to attract businesses to rural Wales through improved transport infrastructure, but his proposals for new north-south road and rail links have no economic rationale: commuters and freight in Wales overwhelming travel east-west.  

I sympathise with the plight of young people who are priced out of rural communities.  But this is not the whole story: all over the world, cities have *always* been magnets for young people - they offer more educational and job opportunities, better social amenities, and the chance to be around lots of other young, single people. 

You cannot change the facts of economic geography, or the rational preferences of young people, simply by reforming the planning system and building a few new north-south roads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a number of contradictions in Barry’s piece.  He wants to encourage new companies and industries to locate in Welsh-speaking areas, without providing housing for incoming monoglot entrepreneurs or managers.  He wants to attract businesses to rural Wales through improved transport infrastructure, but his proposals for new north-south road and rail links have no economic rationale: commuters and freight in Wales overwhelming travel east-west.  </p>
<p>I sympathise with the plight of young people who are priced out of rural communities.  But this is not the whole story: all over the world, cities have *always* been magnets for young people &#8211; they offer more educational and job opportunities, better social amenities, and the chance to be around lots of other young, single people. </p>
<p>You cannot change the facts of economic geography, or the rational preferences of young people, simply by reforming the planning system and building a few new north-south roads.</p>
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		<title>By: CA Jones</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-76675</link>
		<dc:creator>CA Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Dafydd Williams&#039;s assertion that it&#039;s harder to get a job in the media or government if you&#039;re not a Welsh speaker. 

It&#039;s a commonly made assertion but is there any actual proof that speaking Welsh gives someone a disproportionate advantage in the Welsh jobs market?

If memory serves me right there was a survey a few years back to find the %age of Welsh speakers working in the Assembly, and it found that it was less than 20% of the workforce spoke Welsh. Which is less than the national %age of Welsh speakers which is over 20%.

Following years of experience of various internet forums &amp; message boards forgive my scepticism of these types of postings - thy are rarely as &#039;sincere&#039; as they initially appear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Dafydd Williams&#8217;s assertion that it&#8217;s harder to get a job in the media or government if you&#8217;re not a Welsh speaker. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a commonly made assertion but is there any actual proof that speaking Welsh gives someone a disproportionate advantage in the Welsh jobs market?</p>
<p>If memory serves me right there was a survey a few years back to find the %age of Welsh speakers working in the Assembly, and it found that it was less than 20% of the workforce spoke Welsh. Which is less than the national %age of Welsh speakers which is over 20%.</p>
<p>Following years of experience of various internet forums &amp; message boards forgive my scepticism of these types of postings &#8211; thy are rarely as &#8216;sincere&#8217; as they initially appear.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Jones</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-76668</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 17:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In considering any planning applications in rural Wales, particularly in tourist areas, it should be a requirement that planning authorities must consider the impact of any mooted housing development on the linguistic make-up of the community.&quot;

Should be a requirement? It IS a requirement; its called &quot;Technical advice note 20&quot;. As for stopping English people from buying houses in Welsh speaking Wales...don&#039;t you think that that might infringe the &quot;Right to free movement of peoples&quot; enshrined in the European charter of human rights? And then there is the pesky fact that we already know that it is people WITHOUT Welsh language skills that are &quot;Forced out&quot; of the Fro Cymraeg to find work in England whilst a good few Welsh speakers migrate to Cardiff where Welsh language skills are a saleable commodity. What are we saying, Welsh speakers can come and go as they please in Wales but non-Welsh speakers are barred from settling in coastal and rural locations? And when we already know that new business start ups are often the result of inward migration how exactly do we stimulate new employment without allowing people to live in the Fro Cymraeg? We want your money and your business but not you?

And, Black Bart, remember that programme &quot;The Welsh Not&quot;? Did it tell you anything? You can teach children to speak Welsh but why would they actually speak it if it&#039;s not their first language? Welsh Medium education is a finite phenomenon....Wales cannot provide the Teachers to sustain its long term growth and the law of diminishing returns means that as we struggle to provide first class teachers, results in those schools will stall....already English Medium benchmarked GCSE results are overhauling Welsh Medium results and WM secondary schools are finding it hard to teach some subjects that Universities value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In considering any planning applications in rural Wales, particularly in tourist areas, it should be a requirement that planning authorities must consider the impact of any mooted housing development on the linguistic make-up of the community.&#8221;</p>
<p>Should be a requirement? It IS a requirement; its called &#8220;Technical advice note 20&#8243;. As for stopping English people from buying houses in Welsh speaking Wales&#8230;don&#8217;t you think that that might infringe the &#8220;Right to free movement of peoples&#8221; enshrined in the European charter of human rights? And then there is the pesky fact that we already know that it is people WITHOUT Welsh language skills that are &#8220;Forced out&#8221; of the Fro Cymraeg to find work in England whilst a good few Welsh speakers migrate to Cardiff where Welsh language skills are a saleable commodity. What are we saying, Welsh speakers can come and go as they please in Wales but non-Welsh speakers are barred from settling in coastal and rural locations? And when we already know that new business start ups are often the result of inward migration how exactly do we stimulate new employment without allowing people to live in the Fro Cymraeg? We want your money and your business but not you?</p>
<p>And, Black Bart, remember that programme &#8220;The Welsh Not&#8221;? Did it tell you anything? You can teach children to speak Welsh but why would they actually speak it if it&#8217;s not their first language? Welsh Medium education is a finite phenomenon&#8230;.Wales cannot provide the Teachers to sustain its long term growth and the law of diminishing returns means that as we struggle to provide first class teachers, results in those schools will stall&#8230;.already English Medium benchmarked GCSE results are overhauling Welsh Medium results and WM secondary schools are finding it hard to teach some subjects that Universities value.</p>
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		<title>By: BartiDdu</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-76632</link>
		<dc:creator>BartiDdu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aim is to get all kids to speak Welsh fluently then we can safeguard the future. Build loads of WM schools and let the language grow that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aim is to get all kids to speak Welsh fluently then we can safeguard the future. Build loads of WM schools and let the language grow that way.</p>
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		<title>By: John Tyler</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-76625</link>
		<dc:creator>John Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might be time to consider saving what has gone before for the future, a language institute as a preservation centre.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might be time to consider saving what has gone before for the future, a language institute as a preservation centre.</p>
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		<title>By: Dafydd Williams</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-76616</link>
		<dc:creator>Dafydd Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I went to a Welsh medium school in Swansea, and am a fluent speaker. I grew up speaking the language at home - however now I am an adult almost all my conversations with other adults are in English, regardless of whether they are Welsh speakers or not.

I think the language is doomed - the problem is, it is simply not seen as &#039;cool&#039; by most young people. You used to get detention at my school if you talked in English - yet in the playground that was the only language people spoke....as it&#039;s the language of popular music, films, fashion, etc.

There current language policies actually make things worse, as if you aren&#039;t a Welsh speaker it&#039;s harder to get a job in media or government - therefore driving talented anglophone Welsh away to England. We need these people to stay!

The future of Welsh is to become a part time language spoken in a few pockets up north but not a living language. If we think we can turn the major population centres that draw the young people of this country to be Welsh first language, then we are dreaming.

As a proud Welshman I&#039;m sad to say it, but the Welsh language&#039;s days as a working language are numbered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to a Welsh medium school in Swansea, and am a fluent speaker. I grew up speaking the language at home &#8211; however now I am an adult almost all my conversations with other adults are in English, regardless of whether they are Welsh speakers or not.</p>
<p>I think the language is doomed &#8211; the problem is, it is simply not seen as &#8216;cool&#8217; by most young people. You used to get detention at my school if you talked in English &#8211; yet in the playground that was the only language people spoke&#8230;.as it&#8217;s the language of popular music, films, fashion, etc.</p>
<p>There current language policies actually make things worse, as if you aren&#8217;t a Welsh speaker it&#8217;s harder to get a job in media or government &#8211; therefore driving talented anglophone Welsh away to England. We need these people to stay!</p>
<p>The future of Welsh is to become a part time language spoken in a few pockets up north but not a living language. If we think we can turn the major population centres that draw the young people of this country to be Welsh first language, then we are dreaming.</p>
<p>As a proud Welshman I&#8217;m sad to say it, but the Welsh language&#8217;s days as a working language are numbered.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole Allan</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-58416</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jul 2011 00:06:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shwmai! :) 
I really like this artical Diolch.

I am from Australia and i love the welsh language... I have started learning welsh a couple of months ago and progressing quickly. Even though i am Australian i have been teaching my family and friends welsh. 

When i have kids, I shall do the same.
I wish some people can take welsh more seriously in the times we live in now.

I am actually thinking about being a welsh teacher in australia. Not many people here even knows that wales has there own language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shwmai! <img src='http://waleshome.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I really like this artical Diolch.</p>
<p>I am from Australia and i love the welsh language&#8230; I have started learning welsh a couple of months ago and progressing quickly. Even though i am Australian i have been teaching my family and friends welsh. </p>
<p>When i have kids, I shall do the same.<br />
I wish some people can take welsh more seriously in the times we live in now.</p>
<p>I am actually thinking about being a welsh teacher in australia. Not many people here even knows that wales has there own language.</p>
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		<title>By: Dyfed</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-32020</link>
		<dc:creator>Dyfed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>welsh is my first language, speak it at home and school but never around town because majority of people are english. The Dialog at home is much the similiar so when I go to the west of wales I find it harder to speak to other welsh users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>welsh is my first language, speak it at home and school but never around town because majority of people are english. The Dialog at home is much the similiar so when I go to the west of wales I find it harder to speak to other welsh users.</p>
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		<title>By: Granny</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-2/#comment-23953</link>
		<dc:creator>Granny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 13:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am currently a member of a small Welsh language group.  I was taught French from age 8 and my parents nor Grandparents were Welsh speakers.  the fact that I now have to learn my own language really ticks me off.  Especially when i meet Welsh speakers who make me feel inferior because i can&#039;t speak Welsh.  

I was almost assaulted in London recently by a man from North Wales who screamed at me in the street in front of hundreds of people that I am not fit to be called welsh and i should be ashamed that I cannot speak the language.  I have many more stories about people from south Wales being looked down on by welsh speakers from the North and West.

They should consider themselves lucky that they have known the language from birth.  I won&#039;t let these petty minded people put me off though, I will carry on &#039;trio dysgu siarad Cymraeg&#039; (I hope I spelled that correctly as writing Welsh is far less important to me than speaking correctly at the moment) and ignore the people that think they own our language.

Welsh is for everyone North, south, East or West!!

Diolch

Granny</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently a member of a small Welsh language group.  I was taught French from age 8 and my parents nor Grandparents were Welsh speakers.  the fact that I now have to learn my own language really ticks me off.  Especially when i meet Welsh speakers who make me feel inferior because i can&#8217;t speak Welsh.  </p>
<p>I was almost assaulted in London recently by a man from North Wales who screamed at me in the street in front of hundreds of people that I am not fit to be called welsh and i should be ashamed that I cannot speak the language.  I have many more stories about people from south Wales being looked down on by welsh speakers from the North and West.</p>
<p>They should consider themselves lucky that they have known the language from birth.  I won&#8217;t let these petty minded people put me off though, I will carry on &#8216;trio dysgu siarad Cymraeg&#8217; (I hope I spelled that correctly as writing Welsh is far less important to me than speaking correctly at the moment) and ignore the people that think they own our language.</p>
<p>Welsh is for everyone North, south, East or West!!</p>
<p>Diolch</p>
<p>Granny</p>
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		<title>By: penderyn</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2010/01/the-welsh-language-is-under-more-threat-than-ever/comment-page-1/#comment-19020</link>
		<dc:creator>penderyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Aug 2010 02:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having to relearn the language as my mam (yes the old british spelling) was not taught it as it was looked down upon on the east Wales borders to learn welsh.

The joke is even Cardiff was majority welsh speaking to as late as 1850 with 100,000 welsh speakers in Liverpool in the census of 1901.................some people I meet don;t realise the language decline has been so quick and severe and thats why they think its a joke. The true brythonic languages of this island are dying out and the state has the arrogance to make out the word Britain and Briton relates in any way to english culture all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having to relearn the language as my mam (yes the old british spelling) was not taught it as it was looked down upon on the east Wales borders to learn welsh.</p>
<p>The joke is even Cardiff was majority welsh speaking to as late as 1850 with 100,000 welsh speakers in Liverpool in the census of 1901&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..some people I meet don;t realise the language decline has been so quick and severe and thats why they think its a joke. The true brythonic languages of this island are dying out and the state has the arrogance to make out the word Britain and Briton relates in any way to english culture all the time.</p>
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