Comments on: Of the elite, by the elite, for the elite http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/ Independent analysis from and about Wales Sat, 11 Feb 2012 15:59:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Peter Strong http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-38106 Peter Strong Mon, 28 Feb 2011 11:59:57 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-38106 It is common knowledge that the following issues had to be approved by the UK government and the other place. Free prescriptions, bus pass, recycling, smoking ban, student fees and the sprinkler system in new properties. Approved at a great unnecessary cost to the taxpayer by UK politicians who are guilty of involving us in three wars costing billions, £20bn for Trident, £15bn for Afghanistan, £1bn for India, £8bn written off the Defence budget, £36bn Budget over run. Also, where has all the money gone that successive governments have saved from the privatization of public assets over the past 31 years? It is a disgrace that Rachel Banner and her supporters insinuate that the members of the National Assembly are not competent to introduce legislation without the approval of the bear next door. There are more competent people among the 60 members of the Senedd than that there are in the Commons and the Lords combined as anyone can witness by the quality of the debate and the prudent manner in which they control their budget. It is common knowledge that the following issues had to be approved by the UK government and the other place. Free prescriptions, bus pass, recycling, smoking ban, student fees and the sprinkler system in new properties. Approved at a great unnecessary cost to the taxpayer by UK politicians who are guilty of involving us in three wars costing billions, £20bn for Trident, £15bn for Afghanistan, £1bn for India, £8bn written off the Defence budget, £36bn Budget over run.
Also, where has all the money gone that successive governments have saved from the privatization of public assets over the past 31 years?
It is a disgrace that Rachel Banner and her supporters insinuate that the members of the National Assembly are not competent to introduce legislation without the approval of the bear next door.
There are more competent people among the 60 members of the Senedd than that there are in the Commons and the Lords combined as anyone can witness by the quality of the debate and the prudent manner in which they control their budget.

]]> By: cymro glan http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-33501 cymro glan Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:45:01 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-33501 I'm ashamed to think that there are Welsh people that would still rather be controlled by England! WHY? I’m ashamed to think that there are Welsh people that would still rather be controlled by England! WHY?

]]> By: BartiDdu http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-33466 BartiDdu Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:59:10 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-33466 More obvious than that though Saethwyr is the fact that True Wales object to a Welsh elite but clearly have no problem with the elite over in Westminster. More obvious than that though Saethwyr is the fact that True Wales object to a Welsh elite but clearly have no problem with the elite over in Westminster.

]]> By: Saethwyr http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-33460 Saethwyr Thu, 20 Jan 2011 12:07:34 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-33460 I haven't looked back over the other comments but has anybody else mentioned the obvious? Ms Banner is attacking the so called "elitism" of the Welsh political class, yet did she not attend Queen Mary's and then Jesus College, Oxford? Because you can't really get much more elitist than that. I haven’t looked back over the other comments but has anybody else mentioned the obvious? Ms Banner is attacking the so called “elitism” of the Welsh political class, yet did she not attend Queen Mary’s and then Jesus College, Oxford? Because you can’t really get much more elitist than that.

]]> By: BartiDdu http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-33423 BartiDdu Thu, 20 Jan 2011 06:36:59 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-33423 @ Toby : The ultra hardcore Unionists have always been fixated by Westminster have they not? I can just recall the shrill voice of George Thomas talking about the importance of the 'parliamentary democracy' anything else by them is seen as undemocratic. @ Toby : The ultra hardcore Unionists have always been fixated by Westminster have they not? I can just recall the shrill voice of George Thomas talking about the importance of the ‘parliamentary democracy’ anything else by them is seen as undemocratic.

]]> By: Toby St. J. Featherstonehaugh-Carruthers http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-33404 Toby St. J. Featherstonehaugh-Carruthers Wed, 19 Jan 2011 22:38:33 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-33404 Rachel Banner's notions of representation and democracy always fixate on the Welsh delegation at Westminster. Although they include some very good people, their collective actions while Labour was in power at Westminster tied our Government's and Assembly's hands again and again, and left us wide open to attack by the Tories. It is a monstrous impertinence for Banner and her fellow-cheerleaders to turn around and accuse our own Government and Assembly of being ineffectual when the obstacles are the handiwork of the team for which she cheers. Rachel Banner’s notions of representation and democracy always fixate on the Welsh delegation at Westminster. Although they include some very good people, their collective actions while Labour was in power at Westminster tied our Government’s and Assembly’s hands again and again, and left us wide open to attack by the Tories. It is a monstrous impertinence for Banner and her fellow-cheerleaders to turn around and accuse our own Government and Assembly of being ineffectual when the obstacles are the handiwork of the team for which she cheers.

]]> By: Al http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-28134 Al Mon, 06 Dec 2010 10:13:43 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-28134 Under the One Wales Agreement, between Labour and Plaid Cymru for control of the Welsh Assembly, a total of 6,500 affordable homes were to be provided over four years from 2007. That target has been exceeded and 6,707 were built in the first three years. Caerphilly council alone has built 661 with a further 77 in 2011-12. So please don't spread fud and misinformation. If you are going to attack something, then please get verifiable stats to back it up. Under the One Wales Agreement, between Labour and Plaid Cymru for control of the Welsh Assembly, a total of 6,500 affordable homes were to be provided over four years from 2007.

That target has been exceeded and 6,707 were built in the first three years. Caerphilly council alone has built 661 with a further 77 in 2011-12.

So please don’t spread fud and misinformation. If you are going to attack something, then please get verifiable stats to back it up.

]]> By: Looseload http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-28023 Looseload Sat, 04 Dec 2010 15:50:51 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-28023 9.03 The Labour-Plaid Cymru coalition has set itself a target of creating 6,500 new affordable homes during the four years to 2011. The coalition began during July 2007, just over three years ago. 2007-08, the number of affordable housing units built in the whole of Wales was just 744. If the level of construction equalled the 744, doubtful, the expected outcome would be half the boast, simple arithmetic. ... so my question stands, as it was put to the December 3, 2010 at 10:43 pm writer, I am sure the 6500 are not newly built affordable homes, I am also sure there will not be a surge of homes handed over to various housing authorities during the next 28 days. 9.03

The Labour-Plaid Cymru coalition has set itself a target of creating 6,500 new affordable homes during the four years to 2011.

The coalition began during July 2007, just over three years ago.

2007-08, the number of affordable housing units built in the whole of Wales was just 744. If the level of construction equalled the 744, doubtful, the expected outcome would be half the boast, simple arithmetic.

… so my question stands, as it was put to the December 3, 2010 at 10:43 pm writer, I am sure the 6500 are not newly built affordable homes, I am also sure there will not be a surge of homes handed over to various housing authorities during the next 28 days.

]]> By: Illtyd Luke http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-28005 Illtyd Luke Sat, 04 Dec 2010 09:03:07 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-28005 Looseload... Are you suggesting that the homes don't really exist? That it has been made up, as a kind of conspiracy? Where exactly are they? Anyone can ask the Welsh govt and get a breakdown, they will probably mostly be in the local authority areas where demand for affordable housing is highest. They have been financing these extra houses for several years, so I don't know what point you're trying to make. Looseload… Are you suggesting that the homes don’t really exist?

That it has been made up, as a kind of conspiracy?

Where exactly are they? Anyone can ask the Welsh govt and get a breakdown, they will probably mostly be in the local authority areas where demand for affordable housing is highest. They have been financing these extra houses for several years, so I don’t know what point you’re trying to make.

]]> By: Looseload http://waleshome.org/2009/12/of-the-elite-by-the-elite-for-the-elite/comment-page-1/#comment-27997 Looseload Sat, 04 Dec 2010 06:52:55 +0000 http://waleshome.org/?p=5427#comment-27997 10.43 ... ... and exactly where are these "new affordable homes", and what housing activity was included in the calculations that delivering the 6500 new affordable homes by 2011, in 28 days time? 10.43 …

… and exactly where are these “new affordable homes”, and what housing activity was included in the calculations that delivering the 6500 new affordable homes by 2011, in 28 days time?

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