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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s David and who&#8217;s Goliath?</title>
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		<title>By: Duncan Higgitt</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/11/whos-david-and-whos-goliath/comment-page-1/#comment-2744</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Higgitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 12:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, people appear to be missing my point. I think it is hugely unreasonable for aggregators to expect their content for free when quality of content is dictated by home much time the original writer can devote to it. There is a separate argument to be had about writer&#039;s remuneration - and I for one would far rather be putting money straight into the pockets of writers rather than the media organisations who employ them. But you can&#039;t seriously expect those who spend time investigating and writing original content to do it for free.

Many people probably think that the vast array of resources on the internet means that aggregation is not a problem, and maybe it isn&#039;t - yet. But it&#039;s hardly planning for the future. Maybe it won&#039;t happen in our lifetime, but there is another issue to consider here.

If writers cannot afford to devote their day to investigation, what does that mean for democracy? When a local newspaper closes, people bemoan an inability to call local politicians and authorities to account any more. But writers have to eat, too. It seems incredible that we are all so hung up about fair trade, about caring for our food producers, yet what is being suggested here is that those people who supply you with the material you use for comment should do it out of the goodness of their hearts.

This is not some kind of Robin Hood thing. Start looking past the greedy media organisations and think about the people they employ. It is my belief many of these news organisations will fall in time. Will you really expect news for free from local news co-operatives? Nobody can say for certain that advertising is the way forward - it&#039;s proved to be as volatile as commodities in the past two years.

In fact, nobody knows how the media will look in five years&#039; time. Other revenue streams will come forward. And that isn&#039;t a concern of aggregators, bloggers and others who can&#039;t be bothered to generate their own original content, and would rather piggy-back off other people&#039;s work. But we are already in a situation where writers can no longer be afforded, or won&#039;t be afforded. It could become your problem sooner than you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, people appear to be missing my point. I think it is hugely unreasonable for aggregators to expect their content for free when quality of content is dictated by home much time the original writer can devote to it. There is a separate argument to be had about writer&#8217;s remuneration &#8211; and I for one would far rather be putting money straight into the pockets of writers rather than the media organisations who employ them. But you can&#8217;t seriously expect those who spend time investigating and writing original content to do it for free.</p>
<p>Many people probably think that the vast array of resources on the internet means that aggregation is not a problem, and maybe it isn&#8217;t &#8211; yet. But it&#8217;s hardly planning for the future. Maybe it won&#8217;t happen in our lifetime, but there is another issue to consider here.</p>
<p>If writers cannot afford to devote their day to investigation, what does that mean for democracy? When a local newspaper closes, people bemoan an inability to call local politicians and authorities to account any more. But writers have to eat, too. It seems incredible that we are all so hung up about fair trade, about caring for our food producers, yet what is being suggested here is that those people who supply you with the material you use for comment should do it out of the goodness of their hearts.</p>
<p>This is not some kind of Robin Hood thing. Start looking past the greedy media organisations and think about the people they employ. It is my belief many of these news organisations will fall in time. Will you really expect news for free from local news co-operatives? Nobody can say for certain that advertising is the way forward &#8211; it&#8217;s proved to be as volatile as commodities in the past two years.</p>
<p>In fact, nobody knows how the media will look in five years&#8217; time. Other revenue streams will come forward. And that isn&#8217;t a concern of aggregators, bloggers and others who can&#8217;t be bothered to generate their own original content, and would rather piggy-back off other people&#8217;s work. But we are already in a situation where writers can no longer be afforded, or won&#8217;t be afforded. It could become your problem sooner than you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Denis Campbell</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/11/whos-david-and-whos-goliath/comment-page-1/#comment-2740</link>
		<dc:creator>Denis Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 10:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems very likely to fail because there is so much content available for free and other aggregators will spring up. One need only look at the New York Times who about three years earlier tried to put &#039;premium&#039; content on a paid basis. They lost 95% of their traffic and gained the enmity of their top Op-Ed contributors. It was a short lived venture and they instead now demand that one register to see content... but it is free.

Murdoch will make money where he always has, on streamed live sports but forcing one to read an article by subscription, most will just opt to find the news elsewhere and the blogosphere is not going anywhere.

That it has not as yet happened in Murdochville is an indication that they are running into difficulty figuring out how to make it work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems very likely to fail because there is so much content available for free and other aggregators will spring up. One need only look at the New York Times who about three years earlier tried to put &#8216;premium&#8217; content on a paid basis. They lost 95% of their traffic and gained the enmity of their top Op-Ed contributors. It was a short lived venture and they instead now demand that one register to see content&#8230; but it is free.</p>
<p>Murdoch will make money where he always has, on streamed live sports but forcing one to read an article by subscription, most will just opt to find the news elsewhere and the blogosphere is not going anywhere.</p>
<p>That it has not as yet happened in Murdochville is an indication that they are running into difficulty figuring out how to make it work.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dyda</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/11/whos-david-and-whos-goliath/comment-page-1/#comment-2542</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Dyda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And what will you do on the day after the media can no longer afford to supply you with news for free?&lt;/i&gt;

What the media can or cannot afford is no concern of mine.

As for &quot;sticking your head in the sand&quot;, that&#039;s a false assumption. It&#039;s simply not my problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And what will you do on the day after the media can no longer afford to supply you with news for free?</i></p>
<p>What the media can or cannot afford is no concern of mine.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;sticking your head in the sand&#8221;, that&#8217;s a false assumption. It&#8217;s simply not my problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Higgitt</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/11/whos-david-and-whos-goliath/comment-page-1/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Higgitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what will you do on the day after the media can no longer afford to supply you with news for free? Like any other business, news gathering costs money. If you take your point through to its logical conclusion, you&#039;ll no longer be able to comment properly because your aggregation habits won&#039;t allow you to draw down quality reporting.

By Google offering free content, it doesn&#039;t make it right. Sticking your head in the sand won&#039;t make it go away - no matter how little you may like NewsCorp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what will you do on the day after the media can no longer afford to supply you with news for free? Like any other business, news gathering costs money. If you take your point through to its logical conclusion, you&#8217;ll no longer be able to comment properly because your aggregation habits won&#8217;t allow you to draw down quality reporting.</p>
<p>By Google offering free content, it doesn&#8217;t make it right. Sticking your head in the sand won&#8217;t make it go away &#8211; no matter how little you may like NewsCorp.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Dyda</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/11/whos-david-and-whos-goliath/comment-page-1/#comment-2484</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Dyda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like millions of other web users, I use Google to find anything I&#039;m looking for. If it isn&#039;t on Google I won&#039;t find it, I&#039;ll find something else instead. And if it isn&#039;t free then I&#039;m just not interested. I suspect I&#039;m in the majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like millions of other web users, I use Google to find anything I&#8217;m looking for. If it isn&#8217;t on Google I won&#8217;t find it, I&#8217;ll find something else instead. And if it isn&#8217;t free then I&#8217;m just not interested. I suspect I&#8217;m in the majority.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth @ Liberty Marketing</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/11/whos-david-and-whos-goliath/comment-page-1/#comment-2478</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth @ Liberty Marketing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since writing this piece it looks like one of the predictions has come true - Murdoch and Microsoft are in talks to give Bing the rights to News Corp content. I bet there&#039;s some interesting meetings being held at Google today.

Also, the founder of Twitter has spoken out telling Murdoch that his plan will not work as the future of the internet &quot;is open, not closed&quot;.

This topic is heating up pretty quickly and whatever happens, it could shape the way the internet works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since writing this piece it looks like one of the predictions has come true &#8211; Murdoch and Microsoft are in talks to give Bing the rights to News Corp content. I bet there&#8217;s some interesting meetings being held at Google today.</p>
<p>Also, the founder of Twitter has spoken out telling Murdoch that his plan will not work as the future of the internet &#8220;is open, not closed&#8221;.</p>
<p>This topic is heating up pretty quickly and whatever happens, it could shape the way the internet works.</p>
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		<title>By: Duncan Higgitt</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/11/whos-david-and-whos-goliath/comment-page-1/#comment-2476</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan Higgitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 07:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The conclusion glimpses a worrying consequence of this battle. Strange to side with Murdoch, but he may have something of a point here. By virtue of its size, Google is able to piggy-back other endeavours and deliver financial benefits for itself to the detriment of the organisations it is indexing.

It argues that it is delivering readers, but it isn&#039;t, really. If those readers were asked to pay for this content, as they are at the newsstand, Google&#039;s work would mean nothing to these organisations, yet they are the one providing the content to Google&#039;s advertising. it does not follow that widened brand recognition brings financial benefits. I regularly read the New Zealand Herald online yet I have never given a penny to it. What Google is doing is rather like having a newspaper where all the journalists - who bring in the readers, lest we forget - work for free while the corporate end of the business reaps all the benefits (not that far from the truth, I suppose, but a little more extreme).

If Murdoch loses this one, it could potentially give a huge bite of online news to Google, perhaps monopolising other smaller but better organisations out of existence. While I have plenty of issues with Murdoch&#039;s business practices - not least his ability to avoid corporate tax - his battle could be journalism&#039;s battle. One to watch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The conclusion glimpses a worrying consequence of this battle. Strange to side with Murdoch, but he may have something of a point here. By virtue of its size, Google is able to piggy-back other endeavours and deliver financial benefits for itself to the detriment of the organisations it is indexing.</p>
<p>It argues that it is delivering readers, but it isn&#8217;t, really. If those readers were asked to pay for this content, as they are at the newsstand, Google&#8217;s work would mean nothing to these organisations, yet they are the one providing the content to Google&#8217;s advertising. it does not follow that widened brand recognition brings financial benefits. I regularly read the New Zealand Herald online yet I have never given a penny to it. What Google is doing is rather like having a newspaper where all the journalists &#8211; who bring in the readers, lest we forget &#8211; work for free while the corporate end of the business reaps all the benefits (not that far from the truth, I suppose, but a little more extreme).</p>
<p>If Murdoch loses this one, it could potentially give a huge bite of online news to Google, perhaps monopolising other smaller but better organisations out of existence. While I have plenty of issues with Murdoch&#8217;s business practices &#8211; not least his ability to avoid corporate tax &#8211; his battle could be journalism&#8217;s battle. One to watch.</p>
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