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	<title>Comments on: Devolution is bigger than the Labour Party</title>
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		<title>By: Mat Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mat Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Firstly, a very welcome article from Mr Bourne: I seem to recall that he was never the strongest proponent of devolution so his advocacy is doubly welcome and, hopefully, signals the start of a less divisive and coherent campaign for greater powers being devolved to Wales. 

However, there is one piece that has been noticeably absent from this article, Kirsty Williams&#039;s equally thoughtful piece and indeed much of the debate on this website and that is the clear articulation of the link between devolution and peoples&#039; lives.

I haven&#039;t yet seen any politician of any colour talk in a language supporting greater devolved powers that ordinary voters will resonate with. My friends and family want a Welsh assembly that can help create the right economic conditions to create and sustain jobs, invest in infrastructure, recognise the challenges of the digital divide and build enduring prosperity. As much as the debates around better governance or potential referendum questions might appeal to hacks and politicos (and I include myself in this) until we start making this real and vital to voters across Wales, this campaign will struggle to get off the ground in any meaningful way. We still have a very long way to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, a very welcome article from Mr Bourne: I seem to recall that he was never the strongest proponent of devolution so his advocacy is doubly welcome and, hopefully, signals the start of a less divisive and coherent campaign for greater powers being devolved to Wales. </p>
<p>However, there is one piece that has been noticeably absent from this article, Kirsty Williams&#8217;s equally thoughtful piece and indeed much of the debate on this website and that is the clear articulation of the link between devolution and peoples&#8217; lives.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t yet seen any politician of any colour talk in a language supporting greater devolved powers that ordinary voters will resonate with. My friends and family want a Welsh assembly that can help create the right economic conditions to create and sustain jobs, invest in infrastructure, recognise the challenges of the digital divide and build enduring prosperity. As much as the debates around better governance or potential referendum questions might appeal to hacks and politicos (and I include myself in this) until we start making this real and vital to voters across Wales, this campaign will struggle to get off the ground in any meaningful way. We still have a very long way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: MartinJohnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartinJohnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The basic message here is very welcome but the inability to make it without a few sideswipes at Labour undermine the idea that it&#039;s Wales and better governance that matters. As long as AMs keep making this about party politics no one will completely trust the motives of any of them.  Welsh politics needs ideas and personalities, not party lines and party bickering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The basic message here is very welcome but the inability to make it without a few sideswipes at Labour undermine the idea that it&#8217;s Wales and better governance that matters. As long as AMs keep making this about party politics no one will completely trust the motives of any of them.  Welsh politics needs ideas and personalities, not party lines and party bickering.</p>
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		<title>By: Daran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 08:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick - thanks for this very stimulating article. The movement of the Conservative Party on the issue of devolution is one of the seismic changes in Welsh politics over the past ten years. You have played a major role in doing that and in changing the terms of the debate.

You write that: &quot;In a speech in December last year, I suggested our stance on devolution was my party’s Clause 4 moment. It is heartening to note the Welsh public have felt the same way. A steady – and growing – majority of people in Wales now support devolution. Now we must move forward to provide a lasting settlement.&quot; My analysis concurs with this.

David Cameron&#039;s &quot;Broughton Declaration&quot; when he pledged  that the Conservatives would not block a referendum by refusing to lay the Order in the Commons, when the time is right, to trigger the plebiscite is a major step forward. Critics have suggested this position is a cop out, but I tend to agree with &lt;a href=&quot;http://waleshome.org/2009/11/probably-the-worst-question-in-the-world/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;David Melding&#039;s analysis yesterday&lt;/a&gt; that the Declaration &quot;will be seen as decisive as Emyr Jones-Parry’s report. Between them they have set the parameters for this important national debate.&quot;

David Melding also wrote that: &quot;the Welsh Conservative Party is in for a bumpy ride. Its opponents will slap on the war paint and portray neutrality on law making powers as being “anti-Welsh” on devolution.&quot; You both know that the position you have adopted is difficult and open to misinterpretation. But you can move forward based on it - and so can Wales. 

No leading Conservatives were in the Yes camp in 1997. In 2010 both you and David as well as other respected figures like Jonathan Morgan and Glyn Davies will fight alongside people from other parties and none in making the case for rational change and constitutional improvement. With the Conservative Party polling around 30% of the vote in Wales now, if that carries 10% of the Welsh electorate into the Yes camp then it is possibly the most important change for the Yes side since 1997.

Yes, Nick, it is time to move forward. I hope this article convinces any remaining doubters of your total sincerity on that point. We march together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick &#8211; thanks for this very stimulating article. The movement of the Conservative Party on the issue of devolution is one of the seismic changes in Welsh politics over the past ten years. You have played a major role in doing that and in changing the terms of the debate.</p>
<p>You write that: &#8220;In a speech in December last year, I suggested our stance on devolution was my party’s Clause 4 moment. It is heartening to note the Welsh public have felt the same way. A steady – and growing – majority of people in Wales now support devolution. Now we must move forward to provide a lasting settlement.&#8221; My analysis concurs with this.</p>
<p>David Cameron&#8217;s &#8220;Broughton Declaration&#8221; when he pledged  that the Conservatives would not block a referendum by refusing to lay the Order in the Commons, when the time is right, to trigger the plebiscite is a major step forward. Critics have suggested this position is a cop out, but I tend to agree with <a href="http://waleshome.org/2009/11/probably-the-worst-question-in-the-world/" rel="nofollow">David Melding&#8217;s analysis yesterday</a> that the Declaration &#8220;will be seen as decisive as Emyr Jones-Parry’s report. Between them they have set the parameters for this important national debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>David Melding also wrote that: &#8220;the Welsh Conservative Party is in for a bumpy ride. Its opponents will slap on the war paint and portray neutrality on law making powers as being “anti-Welsh” on devolution.&#8221; You both know that the position you have adopted is difficult and open to misinterpretation. But you can move forward based on it &#8211; and so can Wales. </p>
<p>No leading Conservatives were in the Yes camp in 1997. In 2010 both you and David as well as other respected figures like Jonathan Morgan and Glyn Davies will fight alongside people from other parties and none in making the case for rational change and constitutional improvement. With the Conservative Party polling around 30% of the vote in Wales now, if that carries 10% of the Welsh electorate into the Yes camp then it is possibly the most important change for the Yes side since 1997.</p>
<p>Yes, Nick, it is time to move forward. I hope this article convinces any remaining doubters of your total sincerity on that point. We march together.</p>
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