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	<title>Comments on: A meander around the constitutional crossroads</title>
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		<title>By: Cerith Rhys Jones</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-meander-around-the-constitutional-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-150</link>
		<dc:creator>Cerith Rhys Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 11:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adolygiad go dda Bethan! Falch i weld fod yna un ymateb cyn myfi fy hun! &#039;Dw i&#039;n cytuno efo llawer &#039;rwyt ti&#039;n arsylwi arno fo yn dy adolygiad di. Yn gynta&#039;, &#039;dw i&#039;n cytuno efo&#039;r hyn &#039;rwyt ti&#039;n dweud am awgrym yr awdur fod pawb ym mywyd cyhoeddus Prydeinig yn ddionest - wrth hyn, ydyw o&#039;n golygu Cymru hefyd? Wrth gwrs, mae&#039;r un neu ddau mewn unrhyw sefydliad sydd yn ddionest, ond mae&#039;n siwr nid yw&#039;n wir i Gymru fod *pawb* yn ddionest - mae&#039;n system ni llawer yn fwy agored, mwy onest! &#039;Rwyt ti&#039;n son am y ffaith fod Charles yn gwneud llawer o ymgyrchu ac fod yr awdur yn dweud ei fod o&#039;n ymgorff o feth yw hi i fod yn &#039;Brydeinig&#039; - ond ar ddiwedd y dydd, dydy Charles heb ei ethol; dylai o ddim fod yn ymgyrchu dros unrhyw beth! Mae&#039;n rhaid imi gwestiynnu hefyd fod Mrs Windsor yn ffan o ddatganoli - does bosib fod hyn yn wir am fod datganoli yn hollol yn ei herbyn hi! Pam ar y Ddaear fyddai&#039;n cefnogi datganoli pan ei fod yn golygu hunan ymreolaeth democrataidd ac hithau yw pennaeth sefydliad hollol annemocrataidd canolig? Wrth iti son am os fyddai cenedlaetholdeb yn Lloegr yn tyfu - &#039;dw i&#039;n cwestiynnu, pam nad oes gan Loegr Gynulliad fel sydd gennym ni? Gwell eto - pam nad oes gennym ni, Gogledd Iwerddon na Loegr Senedd go-iawn fel yr Alban? Dyna, mewn gwirionedd, fyddai datganoli teb a ranbarthol, ynte? &#039;Dw i&#039;n cytuno gennyt ar yr hyn mi wyt yn dweud am Ogledd Iwerddon - does bosib fod y ffrae ar ei ben! Mae llofruddiaeth dal yn digwydd yno felly does yna ddim modd awgrymu&#039;r fath beth! &#039;Dw i&#039;n gobeithio mae&#039;r ail syniad ar ddiwedd dy adolygiad - &quot;Britain itself becomes an outdated and irrelevant concept&quot; - fydd y gwirionedd. Dydw i ddim yn deall sut fyddai datganoli mewn unrhyw ffordd yn uno Phrydain - mae&#039;n golygu&#039;r hollol gwrtherbyn! Gyda Phlaid mewn rhywfaint o bwer yng Nghymru, Sinn Fein yng Ngogledd Iwerddon a&#039;r SNP yn yr Alban, fel yr wyt ti&#039;n dweud, does na&#039;r un modd fyddai datganoli&#039;n uno Phrydain. &#039;Rydym, &#039;dw i&#039;n teimlo a gobeithio, ar lwybr i annibyniaeth go iawn i bob un o wledydd Prydain. Er fod Prydain yn bodoli, nid gwlad ydyw, ond talaith, gwnaethpwyd o gasgliad o wledydd. Adolygiad go dda Bethan!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adolygiad go dda Bethan! Falch i weld fod yna un ymateb cyn myfi fy hun! &#8216;Dw i&#8217;n cytuno efo llawer &#8216;rwyt ti&#8217;n arsylwi arno fo yn dy adolygiad di. Yn gynta&#8217;, &#8216;dw i&#8217;n cytuno efo&#8217;r hyn &#8216;rwyt ti&#8217;n dweud am awgrym yr awdur fod pawb ym mywyd cyhoeddus Prydeinig yn ddionest &#8211; wrth hyn, ydyw o&#8217;n golygu Cymru hefyd? Wrth gwrs, mae&#8217;r un neu ddau mewn unrhyw sefydliad sydd yn ddionest, ond mae&#8217;n siwr nid yw&#8217;n wir i Gymru fod *pawb* yn ddionest &#8211; mae&#8217;n system ni llawer yn fwy agored, mwy onest! &#8216;Rwyt ti&#8217;n son am y ffaith fod Charles yn gwneud llawer o ymgyrchu ac fod yr awdur yn dweud ei fod o&#8217;n ymgorff o feth yw hi i fod yn &#8216;Brydeinig&#8217; &#8211; ond ar ddiwedd y dydd, dydy Charles heb ei ethol; dylai o ddim fod yn ymgyrchu dros unrhyw beth! Mae&#8217;n rhaid imi gwestiynnu hefyd fod Mrs Windsor yn ffan o ddatganoli &#8211; does bosib fod hyn yn wir am fod datganoli yn hollol yn ei herbyn hi! Pam ar y Ddaear fyddai&#8217;n cefnogi datganoli pan ei fod yn golygu hunan ymreolaeth democrataidd ac hithau yw pennaeth sefydliad hollol annemocrataidd canolig? Wrth iti son am os fyddai cenedlaetholdeb yn Lloegr yn tyfu &#8211; &#8216;dw i&#8217;n cwestiynnu, pam nad oes gan Loegr Gynulliad fel sydd gennym ni? Gwell eto &#8211; pam nad oes gennym ni, Gogledd Iwerddon na Loegr Senedd go-iawn fel yr Alban? Dyna, mewn gwirionedd, fyddai datganoli teb a ranbarthol, ynte? &#8216;Dw i&#8217;n cytuno gennyt ar yr hyn mi wyt yn dweud am Ogledd Iwerddon &#8211; does bosib fod y ffrae ar ei ben! Mae llofruddiaeth dal yn digwydd yno felly does yna ddim modd awgrymu&#8217;r fath beth! &#8216;Dw i&#8217;n gobeithio mae&#8217;r ail syniad ar ddiwedd dy adolygiad &#8211; &#8220;Britain itself becomes an outdated and irrelevant concept&#8221; &#8211; fydd y gwirionedd. Dydw i ddim yn deall sut fyddai datganoli mewn unrhyw ffordd yn uno Phrydain &#8211; mae&#8217;n golygu&#8217;r hollol gwrtherbyn! Gyda Phlaid mewn rhywfaint o bwer yng Nghymru, Sinn Fein yng Ngogledd Iwerddon a&#8217;r SNP yn yr Alban, fel yr wyt ti&#8217;n dweud, does na&#8217;r un modd fyddai datganoli&#8217;n uno Phrydain. &#8216;Rydym, &#8216;dw i&#8217;n teimlo a gobeithio, ar lwybr i annibyniaeth go iawn i bob un o wledydd Prydain. Er fod Prydain yn bodoli, nid gwlad ydyw, ond talaith, gwnaethpwyd o gasgliad o wledydd. Adolygiad go dda Bethan!</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Warner</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-meander-around-the-constitutional-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-140</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2009 12:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I largely think that any venture to try and define an identity is rather superflous - be it British, Welsh or any other. Why? Largely because identity, what identifies &#039;us&#039; is an individual notion. 

Re: Prince Charles, I believe he proposed he &#039;might be&#039; in definition, rather than he is. Regardless of my own view, the royal family does represent a common experience and reference point for many British people, although i perhaps think this is largely generational. 

I dont think your views on the Peter Hain chapter was fair personally, he does represent the loose set British &#039;oddities&#039; around identity. The guy is a south african born Government minister, who went from being viewed as a terrorist to being a Minister, then a political pariah. His personal views on class aside, there can be no doubt that the supposed &#039;classless&#039; society is still largely defined by the class system. How many working class people do we see in positions of power? 

The irish point you make is pertinent, because perhaps Hannan offers devolution as the only measure of how that country has evolved - the cultural divide is as present as ever. Equally though, you could argue that political devolution doesnt necessarily mean that cultural devolution takes place. Politics is a less important notion in many people&#039;s lives, and that it makes you wonder whether devolution is merely the political, rather than the upsurge of national identity. 

I think the question i always posed looking forward is 
I think it is a bit of both, but i dont necessarily think that devolution is some bastion of &#039;anti-british&#039; feeling within the populations of the celtic nations. 

Good review bethan - enjoyed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I largely think that any venture to try and define an identity is rather superflous &#8211; be it British, Welsh or any other. Why? Largely because identity, what identifies &#8216;us&#8217; is an individual notion. </p>
<p>Re: Prince Charles, I believe he proposed he &#8216;might be&#8217; in definition, rather than he is. Regardless of my own view, the royal family does represent a common experience and reference point for many British people, although i perhaps think this is largely generational. </p>
<p>I dont think your views on the Peter Hain chapter was fair personally, he does represent the loose set British &#8216;oddities&#8217; around identity. The guy is a south african born Government minister, who went from being viewed as a terrorist to being a Minister, then a political pariah. His personal views on class aside, there can be no doubt that the supposed &#8216;classless&#8217; society is still largely defined by the class system. How many working class people do we see in positions of power? </p>
<p>The irish point you make is pertinent, because perhaps Hannan offers devolution as the only measure of how that country has evolved &#8211; the cultural divide is as present as ever. Equally though, you could argue that political devolution doesnt necessarily mean that cultural devolution takes place. Politics is a less important notion in many people&#8217;s lives, and that it makes you wonder whether devolution is merely the political, rather than the upsurge of national identity. </p>
<p>I think the question i always posed looking forward is<br />
I think it is a bit of both, but i dont necessarily think that devolution is some bastion of &#8216;anti-british&#8217; feeling within the populations of the celtic nations. </p>
<p>Good review bethan &#8211; enjoyed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bethan Jenkins AC/AM Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Book Review and a busy week</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-meander-around-the-constitutional-crossroads/comment-page-1/#comment-138</link>
		<dc:creator>Bethan Jenkins AC/AM Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Book Review and a busy week</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] review of Patrick Hannan&#8217;s &#8216;A Useful Fiction&#8217; is over on the waleshome blog should you wish to read it. No comments as yet- come on, I&#8217;m sure you have differing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] review of Patrick Hannan&#8217;s &#8216;A Useful Fiction&#8217; is over on the waleshome blog should you wish to read it. No comments as yet- come on, I&#8217;m sure you have differing [...]</p>
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