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		<title>By: Welsh Connection</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-conservative-party-cannot-afford-to-be-too-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-218</link>
		<dc:creator>Welsh Connection</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 11:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting views on the difference between constituency and regional AM&#039;s, but surely the best way to resolve this is to have all AM&#039;s elected in the same way - most obviously by STV as recommended by the Richards Commission as this would ensure local representation and avoid the purpetual one party rule which we would probably get under FPTP.  The parties could field equal numbers on men and women in each constituency and let the peole choose (positive action which respects democracy)

Incidentally what are the chances of the Tory Party adopting of the recommendations of the Richards Commission in full, this would benefit Wales as it would give us a thought out and considered constitution unlike the current one put together to appease the various factions of Welsh Labour.

I would also benefit the Welsh Conservatives by giving them a clear position and policy, one which they can defend with credibility (try explaining and defending the current system to voters); it would strengthen the Union by removing the friction and antagonisms built in the the current system and it would also mean that the Tories are rightly seen as proactive on the issue rather than standing on the sidelines waiting for Labour (and Plaid) to act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting views on the difference between constituency and regional AM&#8217;s, but surely the best way to resolve this is to have all AM&#8217;s elected in the same way &#8211; most obviously by STV as recommended by the Richards Commission as this would ensure local representation and avoid the purpetual one party rule which we would probably get under FPTP.  The parties could field equal numbers on men and women in each constituency and let the peole choose (positive action which respects democracy)</p>
<p>Incidentally what are the chances of the Tory Party adopting of the recommendations of the Richards Commission in full, this would benefit Wales as it would give us a thought out and considered constitution unlike the current one put together to appease the various factions of Welsh Labour.</p>
<p>I would also benefit the Welsh Conservatives by giving them a clear position and policy, one which they can defend with credibility (try explaining and defending the current system to voters); it would strengthen the Union by removing the friction and antagonisms built in the the current system and it would also mean that the Tories are rightly seen as proactive on the issue rather than standing on the sidelines waiting for Labour (and Plaid) to act.</p>
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		<title>By: Daran</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-conservative-party-cannot-afford-to-be-too-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-208</link>
		<dc:creator>Daran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 11:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article has generated lots of other blog posts:

http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/08/a-leadership-bid-by-any-other-name.html 
http://glyndaviesam.blogspot.com/ 
http://jatwilliams.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/positive-discrimination-am-i-antediluvian-and-noachic/
http://achangeofpersonnel.blogspot.com/2009/08/jonathans-less-than-new-ideas.html
http://peterblack.blogspot.com/2009/08/uphill-battle-for-tory-female.html
http://merchmerthyr.blogspot.com/2009/08/equal-thats-laugh-when-it-comes-to.html
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2009/08/welsh-assembly-member-calls-for-positive-discrimination-to-favour-women-candidates.html

Thanks to everyone who has commented or written elsewhere.
One last quesiton - have I missed any?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article has generated lots of other blog posts:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/08/a-leadership-bid-by-any-other-name.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.freedomcentral.org.uk/2009/08/a-leadership-bid-by-any-other-name.html</a><br />
<a href="http://glyndaviesam.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://glyndaviesam.blogspot.com/</a><br />
<a href="http://jatwilliams.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/positive-discrimination-am-i-antediluvian-and-noachic/" rel="nofollow">http://jatwilliams.wordpress.com/2009/09/01/positive-discrimination-am-i-antediluvian-and-noachic/</a><br />
<a href="http://achangeofpersonnel.blogspot.com/2009/08/jonathans-less-than-new-ideas.html" rel="nofollow">http://achangeofpersonnel.blogspot.com/2009/08/jonathans-less-than-new-ideas.html</a><br />
<a href="http://peterblack.blogspot.com/2009/08/uphill-battle-for-tory-female.html" rel="nofollow">http://peterblack.blogspot.com/2009/08/uphill-battle-for-tory-female.html</a><br />
<a href="http://merchmerthyr.blogspot.com/2009/08/equal-thats-laugh-when-it-comes-to.html" rel="nofollow">http://merchmerthyr.blogspot.com/2009/08/equal-thats-laugh-when-it-comes-to.html</a><br />
<a href="http://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2009/08/welsh-assembly-member-calls-for-positive-discrimination-to-favour-women-candidates.html" rel="nofollow">http://conservativehome.blogs.com/goldlist/2009/08/welsh-assembly-member-calls-for-positive-discrimination-to-favour-women-candidates.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks to everyone who has commented or written elsewhere.<br />
One last quesiton &#8211; have I missed any?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcus Warner</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-conservative-party-cannot-afford-to-be-too-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-207</link>
		<dc:creator>Marcus Warner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 09:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article, I very much think that the Welsh Conservatives will evolve into many of the things Mr Morgan describes.

Dont get me wrong, I would be happier if the tories do badly, but Wales needs a right wing voice within its politics, particularly at an Assembly level,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article, I very much think that the Welsh Conservatives will evolve into many of the things Mr Morgan describes.</p>
<p>Dont get me wrong, I would be happier if the tories do badly, but Wales needs a right wing voice within its politics, particularly at an Assembly level,</p>
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		<title>By: Gethin</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-conservative-party-cannot-afford-to-be-too-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-203</link>
		<dc:creator>Gethin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 18:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, i appreciate it&#039;s a start and all credit to Jonathan and Nick Bourne for bringing it up. it just struck me as peculiar that the article should lead with calling for women to top the lists and then for the automatic-ish reselection of incumbents. I doubt it will have much effect especially as I expect the Tories to lose list seats in favour of winning constituencies. Although, I will concede that it is an exciting possibility in South Wales West if Alun Cairns holds on until 2011.

I also disagree that all-women shortlists (which is effectively what this would be) are progressive. They ARE a necessary evil to right a the problems of male-dominated groups but they do discriminate against men. I&#039;m not saying that they are illegitimate but we have to bear in mind that it is possible to achieve both gender balance and progressivism without them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, i appreciate it&#8217;s a start and all credit to Jonathan and Nick Bourne for bringing it up. it just struck me as peculiar that the article should lead with calling for women to top the lists and then for the automatic-ish reselection of incumbents. I doubt it will have much effect especially as I expect the Tories to lose list seats in favour of winning constituencies. Although, I will concede that it is an exciting possibility in South Wales West if Alun Cairns holds on until 2011.</p>
<p>I also disagree that all-women shortlists (which is effectively what this would be) are progressive. They ARE a necessary evil to right a the problems of male-dominated groups but they do discriminate against men. I&#8217;m not saying that they are illegitimate but we have to bear in mind that it is possible to achieve both gender balance and progressivism without them.</p>
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		<title>By: Daran</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-conservative-party-cannot-afford-to-be-too-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-201</link>
		<dc:creator>Daran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Surely there is a contradiction in calling for greater gender equality by selecting women at the top of each regional list and then calling for automatic reselection of regional AMs, all of whom, in all five regions, are men. Seems a bit mutually exclusive to me.&quot;

But the Conservatives need to start somewhere. By adopting such a policy there is a real opportunity to bring in women in most of Wales&#039; regions in 2011. South Wales East is also a possibility, as it was in 2003.

It is good to see Jonathan supporting the same standpoint as Nick Bourne on this issue. Progressive forces in the Welsh Conservatives need to pull together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Surely there is a contradiction in calling for greater gender equality by selecting women at the top of each regional list and then calling for automatic reselection of regional AMs, all of whom, in all five regions, are men. Seems a bit mutually exclusive to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the Conservatives need to start somewhere. By adopting such a policy there is a real opportunity to bring in women in most of Wales&#8217; regions in 2011. South Wales East is also a possibility, as it was in 2003.</p>
<p>It is good to see Jonathan supporting the same standpoint as Nick Bourne on this issue. Progressive forces in the Welsh Conservatives need to pull together.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Cridland</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-conservative-party-cannot-afford-to-be-too-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-200</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Cridland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your not careful you may share the same fate as Teddy Roosevelt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_1912_%28United_States%29</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your not careful you may share the same fate as Teddy Roosevelt<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_1912_%28United_States%29" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Party_1912_%28United_States%29</a></p>
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		<title>By: Gethin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gethin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surely there is a contradiction in calling for greater gender equality by selecting women at the top of each regional list and then calling for automatic reselection of regional AMs, all of whom, in all five regions, are men. Seems a bit mutually exclusive to me.

If you really want to appear radical Jonathan, try and start a policy debate about something. That might give your leadership bid more oomph.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely there is a contradiction in calling for greater gender equality by selecting women at the top of each regional list and then calling for automatic reselection of regional AMs, all of whom, in all five regions, are men. Seems a bit mutually exclusive to me.</p>
<p>If you really want to appear radical Jonathan, try and start a policy debate about something. That might give your leadership bid more oomph.</p>
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		<title>By: MH</title>
		<link>http://waleshome.org/2009/08/a-conservative-party-cannot-afford-to-be-too-conservative/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>MH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.  Much of what you say is to do with internal party management and processes, but of course the public&#039;s perception of what you do as a party organization will have an effect at the ballot box.

I fully agree that you need to have more women AMs, but the bigger issue you mention is that you need to have a Leader of the Welsh Consevative Party.  Much of Nick Bourne&#039;s &quot;weakness&quot; has been not that he doesn&#039;t have some half decent ideas, but that he doesn&#039;t speak with enough authority to be credible.  I&#039;m always left wondering, &quot;Well, he&#039;s probably sincere about that, but there&#039;s no guarantee that it will ever become Tory policy ... a third of your AMs disagree, all your MPs disagree, and the real leaders in Westminster will sit on the fence because they&#039;re interested in more important things than Wales.&quot;  

Setting aside any personal differences with Nick Bourne, you would be in exactly the same position if you were to become &quot;Leader in the Assembly&quot;.  The problem is the weakness of the position, not the person who holds it.  And it won&#039;t be solved by merely a change of title, nor even by him/her being seen as your &quot;main spokesperson&quot;, it has to involve the Welsh Conservative Party having enough autonomy to develop and decide its own policy positions.  Clear blue water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  Much of what you say is to do with internal party management and processes, but of course the public&#8217;s perception of what you do as a party organization will have an effect at the ballot box.</p>
<p>I fully agree that you need to have more women AMs, but the bigger issue you mention is that you need to have a Leader of the Welsh Consevative Party.  Much of Nick Bourne&#8217;s &#8220;weakness&#8221; has been not that he doesn&#8217;t have some half decent ideas, but that he doesn&#8217;t speak with enough authority to be credible.  I&#8217;m always left wondering, &#8220;Well, he&#8217;s probably sincere about that, but there&#8217;s no guarantee that it will ever become Tory policy &#8230; a third of your AMs disagree, all your MPs disagree, and the real leaders in Westminster will sit on the fence because they&#8217;re interested in more important things than Wales.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Setting aside any personal differences with Nick Bourne, you would be in exactly the same position if you were to become &#8220;Leader in the Assembly&#8221;.  The problem is the weakness of the position, not the person who holds it.  And it won&#8217;t be solved by merely a change of title, nor even by him/her being seen as your &#8220;main spokesperson&#8221;, it has to involve the Welsh Conservative Party having enough autonomy to develop and decide its own policy positions.  Clear blue water.</p>
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		<title>By: A leadership bid by any other name? &#8211; Freedom Central</title>
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		<dc:creator>A leadership bid by any other name? &#8211; Freedom Central</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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